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Tearlach
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Living in Great Britain my opinion my not carry much weight but being confirmed bachelor I felt I should say something on the matter.
Over here the goverment changed the law soon after California and allowed Gay and Lesbian marrages/civil parterships.
This, I believe, was a very compassionate and forward move. After all that small piece of paper means a lot to many people, for many reasons.
Rights for all, except for some is not acceptable which is why I would vote to keep the law as it is.
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Kenjamin
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| I will vote "No" on 8. I think times are changing. |
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Kenjamin
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| This will drag on and on for awhile. 2010 this Prop. 8 deal will be on the ballot again. |
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Hermie
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have strongly opposed Prop 8 since I heard about it. Being a California resident, I was able to vote on it.
Here's a link to my blogs about Prop 8 which explain in detail my feelings on the issue, and offer responses to the concerns arising over gay marriage.
I actually re-wrote the latest blog, so I'll post it here:
| Quote: | I have listened to many of the concerns of those who supported Proposition 8. Not very many of them had any legal weight. Regardless of their concerns, it is wrong to deny equal rights. But before anyone says it, no one is legally allowed to have more than one spouse, no one is allowed to have sex with minors, and no one is allowed to marry animals. All these laws are equal because they apply to EVERYONE, not just a majority or minority. Unequal rights is allowing some to do something and deny it to others, such as allowing straight couples to marry and denying it to same-sex couples.
There were concerns over "protecting traditional marriage," but these concerns hold no ground because a man and a woman can still marry the same way they always have. Marriage is better protected by banning divorce anyway. The bible looks down on divorce, remember? Hypocrites.
The concern about "changing my definition of marriage" holds no ground because it is not changing any single person's definition of anything, unless your name is the State of California.
Though there were legitimate concerns about the teaching of gay marriage in schools. Prop 8 had nothing in its text about schools. However, this matter can be addressed in a different way, such as passing laws that give parents more rights (parents should be more active in their child's schooling anyway), and offer strict penalties for schools that don't properly inform parents of sensitive materials instead of taking rights away from other Americans.
The concerns regarding religion hold no ground because church and state are separate in this country. We all have the right to believe differently, and must respect another's rights.
In regards to procreation, there is already overpopulation problems. China has a one child per family law. Gay people are already gay; Letting them get married will have no effect on procreation. There are also out-of-wedlock children born daily, so marriage has nothing to do with procreation. There are also straight couples who choose not to have children. The human race will surely survive if gay couples marry. Now, a real threat to humanity is nuclear war. That will likely eliminate the human race, or a good majority of it.
Here are some other concerns:
"Gay marriage will perverse marriage." This holds no ground either. A lot of straight couples cheat on each other. Some straight couples practice sodomy. That's perversing marriage, is it not? Hypocrites.
While your at it, why not make Props to make divorce illegal and [word censored] legal, because they are both in the bible! Stop being selective. If you are going to start thumping the bible about one thing, you better start thumping for the rest of it, you hypocrites. Go to your local Jehovah's Witness hall and learn what being a Christian really means.
“Marriage is a religious institution.” Are you going to say Atheists can't marry? Hypocrites.
"Being gay is a choice." Science has proven this wrong. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080617151845.htm
http://purplepew.org/god-matters/justice-matters/gay-study-suggests-homosexuality-biological
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local&id=6209976
If you continue to say this, it shows how ill-informed you are, and how blind and foolish you are for refusing to see the truth.
“Marriage is not in the constitution.” Neither is your right to breathe. Hypocrites.
“Churches will be forced to marry gay couples.” Go read the California marriage code, section 400. No one has to set foot anywhere near a church to get married.
When it comes to the voice of the voters, it is not a right of the voters to take away the rights of others. The courts are there to protect the rights of those not favored by the majority, among other reasons. They are doing their job in the face of extreme scrutiny, and I applaud them.
If you don't want to give them the word “marriage,” then all marriages should be called civil unions. Don't like it? Welcome to their world.
You don't have to agree with same-sex marriage. You are entitled to disagree. But you are not entitled to deny someone else of life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness, unless it affects you directly and adversely. The “No on 8” campaign isn't trying to push the “gay agenda,” but to level the playing field and promote equality for all Americans. The “Yes on 8” campaign doesn't have much ground to stand on, and with what it does, their energy would best be directed at schools, and not the homosexuals. Instead of trying to take away rights, how about work to give rights? |
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Vergil
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I'm aware this is a little old, but having just joined I really wanna toss my two bits in.
Despite being straight, I feel a strong sympathy for those in the homosexual community, so on a personal level, it's obvious I'm against the discrimination against them in this form.
However, in addition to that, my extreme cynicsm forces me to also point out that I fail to see how preventing gay marraige will in any way protect the sanctity of marraige when our country has drive-thru chapels and TV shows where who marries whom is decided by the audience.
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