| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Caroline
Royal Member of BonBon
Joined: 22 Dec 2008
Posts: 2173
|
 Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject: Alice |
 |
|
OH My Freaking God!
American McGee is doing ANOTHER Alice!
OMFG! That's going to be so freaking awesome.
I freaking loved Alice! AH!
Sorry about totally gushing, but... it's Alice... ALICE!
For me, at least, Alice in Wonderland is such an awesome story to revisit, recreate, and reimagine. You can do it in just about any way you want too... dark and sombere... comedic and slapstic... dramatic and coming of age... it is an amazing back-drop, and I really love American McGee's style in re-imagining old fairy tales and children's stories. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
relentless
Rank: Veteran
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
Posts: 728
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cheesecaked
Rank: Super Veteran
Joined: 02 Oct 2009
Posts: 6733
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
Still own that game very fun game.
long ago they cancelled Wizard of the Oz game to be like "Alice"
_________________
My Fursona http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=100410#100410
How dare they use casment window designs,
it's so last century ಠ_ರೃ
◕ ◡ ◕
"I'm gonna miss all the things we'll never do.
I just can't believe you left me here alone,
How in this world can I make it on my own?" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Xebulon
Royal Member of BonBon
Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 2112
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
Interestingly enough, the Oz series of books were not necessarily bright and happy like the first movie.
_________________
I like old jokes. With them I know when to laugh. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
relentless
Rank: Veteran
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
Posts: 728
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Xebulon wrote: | | Interestingly enough, the Oz series of books were not necessarily bright and happy like the first movie. |
neither are so many great stories but for whatever reason hollywood gets hold of them and decides to turn it into a saturday morning cartoon
_________________
wondering where the jackal came from: http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7940 updates here or there
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Caroline
Royal Member of BonBon
Joined: 22 Dec 2008
Posts: 2173
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | Xebulon wrote:
Interestingly enough, the Oz series of books were not necessarily bright and happy like the first movie.
neither are so many great stories but for whatever reason hollywood gets hold of them and decides to turn it into a saturday morning cartoon |
I'd have to disagree with this. Most of the classic stories are basically all "growing up" or "coming of age" stories. They aren't inherently dark and cynical, or overly romantic and chivalrous. They're just... people growing up and maturing from childhood to adulthood. It's really what makes a lot of the stories so good. Their is always something you can relate too... if the character has made a good or bad choice... if the character does something out of spite... the first time a character actually takes charge and makes their own choice... when you know the character is being tricked, but they don't because they're still not experienced in that sort of thing. Shoot, even something "epic" like "Star Wars" is about growing up.
I'm not saying Hollywood hasn't had some bad interpretations of stories, but... The Wizard of Oz was appropriate for the sentimentalities of its time, and a good interpretation of the first Oz story. At the begining of the movie Dorothy is a good girl, but... not really one ot take charge or be active. A lot happens to her, but... she does not do a lot. She's very passive. (Alice is the same way.) But, as the movie progresses, she becomes a leader. She takes action and begins to take charge. In similar ways so do all her cohorts. Scarecrow wants to be smart, but doesn't think he is. Yet... most of the actual ideas or plans that the group comes up with, are first thought of by Scarecrow. So... in Oz you are basically watching her grow up.
Being a coming-of-age story is why it is so mutatable to all sorts of rewrites and reinventings. Whether it is a postitive twist to the story, or a darker, gothic rewriting. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
relentless
Rank: Veteran
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
Posts: 728
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AlainDaishar
Rank: Senior Member
Joined: 23 Oct 2009
Posts: 288
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| relentless wrote: | | yes probably one of the best stories ever inspired by a drug trip |
Actually, i believe Carroll, or Dodgeson (dunno if I spelt his real name correctly) made up Alice in Wonderland as a series of stories he was telling a family friends daughter...... not at all related to drugs.
But I could be wrong *shrugs*
_________________
Alain Daishar Profile: http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8174&highlight= |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
relentless
Rank: Veteran
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
Posts: 728
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| AlainDaishar wrote: | | relentless wrote: | | yes probably one of the best stories ever inspired by a drug trip |
Actually, i believe Carroll, or Dodgeson (dunno if I spelt his real name correctly) made up Alice in Wonderland as a series of stories he was telling a family friends daughter...... not at all related to drugs.
But I could be wrong *shrugs* |
the story itself is full of references to drugs and their effect i mean if we look at the story,
1. she chases the white rabbit, common metaphor for trying to get cocaine
2. she arrives in the room and discovers she is huge (a common symptom of certain drugs), so she takes a drink which makes her feel like she is shrinking
3 then she meets Tweedledee and Tweedledum (seeing double)
4 the Cheshire cat (seeing things that aren't there)
5 she meets a caterpillar who is smoking from a bong (how obvious can it get) who tells her to try some mushroom (once again very blatant)
and that is just a few examples it goes on and on hell watch the movie again and i think you will see even more now that your mind is on it
(sorry if i have spoiled anyones innocence here but i cant help it, and just so we are clear the rabbit was in the hat the whole time)
_________________
wondering where the jackal came from: http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7940 updates here or there
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Samuel Blackwing
Rank: Junior Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2009
Posts: 104
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Bzzt! Wrong. I'm sorry, try again. There were numerous political references and jabs, but no drugs beyond the Caterpillar's hookah pipe, which is used to smoke Shisha, a type of tobacco. Well, that and the mushrooms. And the potion the originally made Alice grow and shrink. But those were all blatant.
Also, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum didn't come in until the second book, Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There.
The Cheshire Cat's purpose was to raise philosophical questions about Alice's own sanity. A sort of self-psychoanalyst, is you will.
The White Rabbit was a direct contest to Alice. To quote Carroll himself: "And the White Rabbit, what of him? Was he framed on the "Alice" lines, or meant as a contrast? As a contrast, distinctly. For her 'youth,' 'audacity,' 'vigour,' and 'swift directness of purpose,' read 'elderly,' 'timid,' 'feeble,' and 'nervously shilly-shallying,' and you will get something of what I meant him to be. I think the White Rabbit should wear spectacles. I'm sure his voice should quaver, and his knees quiver, and his whole air suggest a total inability to say 'Bo' to a goose!"
Also, in the 1800s, cocaine was a medicine, not an illegal drug like it is today. The term 'chasing the White Rabbit' in reference to cocaine was a reference to Alice in Wonderland, not the other way around. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
relentless
Rank: Veteran
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
Posts: 728
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
but what of the eating mushrooms, you just need to go on a few more benders
of course i can conceed that its not as though the whole thing is meant to be a drug trip i am just saying it clearly contains many themes and occurrences which reference drugs
_________________
wondering where the jackal came from: http://forums.pleasurebonbon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7940 updates here or there
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Samuel Blackwing
Rank: Junior Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2009
Posts: 104
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I mentioned the mushrooms.
Also, thanks to the rather trippy Disney flick, several conceived the notion that Alice was about drugs, thus the references were born.
Nearly all of the 'drug metaphores' in Alice in Wonderland are actually things that were created after the fact as references to the book/movies. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
relentless
Rank: Veteran
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
Posts: 728
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Register
Profile
Log in
